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Incident Response

Good morning, you owe us $887,180 dollars and 48 cents

boa_800k1When you are in security long enough, people in your daily life seem to seek you out when they have a problem that may be security related. This morning was one of those times, when a friend showed me her most recent ATM receipt in a panic. She had gone to the bank to confirm that $1,000 transfer she had expected had hit the account. Her savings balance: -$887,180.48.

My initial advice, after being a little surprised, was that she needed to go down to the bank branch to get this straightened out. She returned telling me that the teller said that it was fraud, that the fraud department was not answering the teller’s calls, and that my friend could call the fraud department directly. She asked me if I thought this could actually be fraud, a transfer made by some bad actor. I replied that I didn’t think a bank would honor any manner of withdraw of nearly a million dollars from an account that can’t cover the amount, and that this is likely not fraud but a clerical error of some kind.

My friend called the fraud department number provided, and connected with an automated message asking her to leave a message with her account number, phone number, and information on the nature of the fraud. By asking for a phone number, the fraud department was leaving the indication that someone would call back. She logged into her online banking account, and showed me the transfer, it was for $888,888.88. The balance was the amount of money she had in the account, minus this bizarre withdraw. I advised her that the money amount looked like a place filler, the kind of data a clerk at a financial institution puts in to fill out a field in an application. As a developer I had watched operations people do this before (usually with all nines) when an application had a required field (you can not move off the screen you are on without putting data in it) but the field is not actually used for anything, just a bad or legacy application problem.

The ATM receipt.

The ATM receipt.



An hour later, no call, and she logged into her online banking account again. The transfer was gone, the account balance was back to normal, and no return call ever came from the fraud department.

So problem solved, but the way it was handled continued to bother me. The people physically at the bank were not empowered to take any action. A bizarre money figure was involved, and a problem was resolved without any further information. As a security professional, incident response is drilled into the collective mind of the industry: making sure people know what to do when emergencies happen, empowering people to respond properly, clearly written policies everyone can access, and ensuring everyone knows what response people to contact and how to reach them. In this case the front line bank professional suggested that the customer was a victim of fraud but there was no opportunity to speak to a person empowered to do any research and the problem was resolved with no further information or explanation.

I decided to see if anyone else had run into this. I started by checking out bankofamerica.com, and searching for the strange money amount $888,888.88. That produced no results. Searching for that money amount on Google exploded with results, some of which are detailed below. Ignoring any vitriol aimed at the institution itself (I have no issue with the bank: one policy or practice does not make an institution and BOA is associated with some key advances in online banking security such as one of the first wide scale mutual authentication implementations), it is clear that placing a negative transfer of this amount is standard operating procedure when fraud is suspected. In my friends case a money transfer came to her account that must have been flagged for some reason initially, and then quickly determined not to be a problem.

This approach has problems. Ostensibly the bank’s goal is to determine if there was fraud and if not to reintegrate the customer, if so get rid of the bad account and perhaps pursue further remedy. For that first case however, the handling of the fraud case that is not fraud will largely determine whether the bank customer remains a customer or not. If a bank appears to be looking out for both your interests as well as their own, the customer can leave with a positive reaction, or at least an understanding one. With this approach, the customer is left agitated.

So some things that might change to make this more palatable:

  • A clearly written account alert online and on ATM receipts that indicates the account is in a hold state because of a potential fraud condition.
  • Ensuring front line bank personnel, the tellers, can always access fraud personnel to review a case while a customer is in the bank branch.
  • Ensuring someone can answer the phone when the fraud department is called, day or night, 24×7.
  • Retiring the practice of entering a -$888,888.88 transaction in the account. At some point the bank will be responsible for a heart attack with this practice. More seriously, if the goal is to come to a timely resolution on determining whether fraud has taken place, having the customer start the interaction in a seriously agitated state, the near universal response to seeing that they owe almost a million dollars in their bank account, does not make sense.
  • A follow up call if the fraud condition is resolved without the customer present and with a positive outcome (no actual fraud found), letting the customer know why this happened and that such investigations are for the mutual benefit of the bank and the customer.
  • Add better information to the web site on what happens when an account is suspected of fraudulent transactions. Not enough where a thief is given a playbook of the bank’s response, but enough so that a customer is not left out in the cold wondering where their money went.

Invariably someone will bring up the cost of fraud is accepted as a cost of doing business, these customers and the associated money they bring in are a rounding error for the bank, and other such specious arguments. This has little to do with the cost of fraud itself, this is the cost of losing customers and potential customers to a strange incident response process. Regarding providing effective support, the fact is that hiring phone personnel or training your existing ones to handle fraud scenarios effectively is not a major expense when balanced against negativity related costs to the brand. If the fraud department of the bank is overwhelmed, more tasks on simple cases must be pushed down to less qualified but more numerous support personnel.

Will this make people happy they can not withdraw money because their account is on a fraud hold? No. It might however avoid losing that customer, and every person that customer talks to as a potential customer. It might make these experiences less life changing for the people involved. Because if the responses below are any indication, people leave this process very upset today. My friend is no exception.

The online responses of other persons:

I opened a checking & savings account 2 weeks ago. Deposited over $5,000 to open the account of my money. I received 2 transfers of funds from a company I do work for that also happens to have BofA. Those went through just fine. On the 3rd transfer, they suspected it was fraudulent and put a -$888, 888.88 negative balance on my account and all my checks started bouncing…So I call them and they tell me they suspected a fraudulent transfer?!? From a guy who logged into his account and entered specific pass phrases to get into his account and transferred the money. Meanwhile, he’s done this 2 times before with HIGHER amounts with no problem.

Source: http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/bank-of-america-c74666.html
Tonight at midnight he realized that he couldn’t get in to access any of his account information; apparently his PIN was changed. I got notification that my account balance is something like -$887,888.88. My online account tells me that one big withdrawal was made in the amount of $888,888.88, with the note “DEBIT/HOLD ON 09/07.” I spoke with a very nice customer service agent…In the end, she explained that this is what they do for Fraud protection, when for one reason or another an account is under suspicion.

Source: http://www.reddit.com
I logged into my Bank of America accounts yesterday to see a pending debit of $888,888.88 on all my accounts

Source: http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/textthread.php?catid=52&threadid=778747&print=1
And I log onto our Bank of America joint account, and see that it appears our Bank of America joint account is overdrawn by nearly a million dollars ($887,375.29, to be exact). Even though I knew that this couldn’t possibly be so, my pulse definitely quickened at seeing such a large number in red print with a negative number in front of it.

Source: http://www.direction-connection.com/2007/01/31/why-bank-of-america-sucks/
I applied online for a checking account about 2 weeks ago and did not hear anything back so i applied again and received 2 emails on 1/23 that both applications were approved. i received my account info and check cards in the mail last week but when i went to make sure the balance was $0.00 on both accounts it says -$888,888.88. I called a friend of mine that is a teller and she says the accounts show “risk closure” with the accounts frozen she then told me that -888,888.88 is a fraud message.

Source: http://www.bankofamericasucks.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3348
I return to work and look up my account balance online. My balance is $-888,888.88. Something is amiss.

Source: http://volcanicensemble.blogspot.com/2006/12/bank-of-america-u-haul-of-banks.html
I almost fell out on the sidewalk when I heard the computerized voice tell me that my account was more than $800,000 overdrawn.

Source: http://bizcovering.com/business/how-bank-of-america-ripped-me-off/
After several voice prompts, it told her she had a balance on two separate checking and two separate savings of negative $888,888.88!

Source: http://www.debtconsolidationcare.com/banking/bankofamerica-risk-assessment.html
Gian Franco Lazaro: Okay, so I opened my account 2-3 weeks. then, on October 17, I was overdrawn by $1,777,726.78 ($888,888.88 twice minus my $50.98)from my debit card. At first, i was of course shocked because I am a student and I don’t have salary, and still depe…ndent on my parents. Right now, i can’t call its 11.09pm but what the hell?! Are they serious?! Do they think this is a joke or something?

Source: Facebook.com
Why would bank of america debit $888,888.88 from my bank accounts?

Source: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080212232923AAyprAW
So B of A Fraud Department debited my account $888,888.88. I am not kidding; After spending hours on the phone with B of A trying to get to the right department and being told wrong information (such as “the government put a levy on your account”),

Source: http://bankofamericasux.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4143#p20696
“Your current balance is $340. Your available balance is $0. You currently have a hold for $888,888.88″ Woah, woah woah. What was that last part again? $888,888.88?”

Source: http://kaysthinkingroom.blogspot.com/
Bank of America just posted on my statement that I owe them $888,888.88 I guess they didn’t think they got enough Tax money yet.

Source: http://forums.gibson.com/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=15077
I have one more horror story on B of A that I have no idea how to solve. I opened my online account information one morning to see a deposit of $888,888.88.

Source: http://www.complaints.com/directory/2005/june/17/11.htm
Now, 6 weeks later we see our account has been debited $888,888.88 in order to stop the account because of fraud. At first I assumed it was fraud attempted to be perpetrated on us, but noooo…. they say that the amount we transfered came from another BoA customer’s account! As if somehow we figured out how to do that, and stole their money, risking our whole business for a paltry sum, and stopping just there (what kind of a crook takes only a small portion of an online account?). The BoA rep actually told us that the money in our account was stolen and that BoA takes this seriously and “prosecutes to the full extent of the law”!

Source: http://www.bankofamericasucks.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3032&start=0



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6 comments for “Good morning, you owe us $887,180 dollars and 48 cents”

  1. these kind of things happen quite a lot in India and happened with me too…but as you said these alo get resolved by themselves….

    Posted by Sachin | October 28, 2009, 6:10 AM
  2. OK, I’m not an accountant, but this practice doesn’t make sence from the point of view of the bank trying to “balance the books”, which (to my mind) would be a case of summing the account balances. Surely applying arbitrary 888,888,888 deductions would give a false “bottom line”? The 888,888,888 would have to be moved to another account for it to balance, and again give a false impression of credits and debits?

    Posted by Peter McEvoy | October 28, 2009, 6:33 AM
  3. I wonder if the interest you earn on the account (a calculation based on your average account balance) is affected by the days that go by with such a huge negative balance.

    Posted by N Shady | October 28, 2009, 9:07 AM
  4. I wonder if it’s done instead of using a locking mechanism because it allows additional transactions to be requested — more data about possible bad actors in the case of fraud.

    Obviously they should indicate a fraud hold on receipts, online banking sign-ins, etc, but there may be interesting constraints to interbank processes that this is the most efficient way to mark the account as potentially defrauded, stop the bleeding, and still obtain data while working within the parameters of a system they can’t fully control.

    Obviously a B of A statement on the matter would be best.

    Posted by NevDull | October 31, 2009, 11:43 AM
  5. Thanks for posting this. As I must wait until morning to call the fraud department, at least I know there may be some reason for this madness. I appreciate that BoA is attempting to protect me and my accounts, but logging in and seeing a giant negative balance in bright glaring red made me only thing mean mean things about my bank…..

    Posted by NotHappy | April 6, 2010, 3:52 AM
  6. And by “thing” I meant “think”.

    See what Bank of America did to me? It fried my brain. Boo, Bank of America. Boo.

    Posted by NotHappy | April 6, 2010, 3:53 AM

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